Gotta protectors cia10/27/2022 ![]() ![]() And so the decision my fiancé and I made that, well, everyone’s going, so why not go as an officer, take advantage of your education, and so I finished the ROTC program at Duquesne University. No, I was in the Air Force because when I was going to college there was something called universal military service, and in my neighborhood, it meant universal. You were in the Air Force because you just wanted to go into the Air Force? How did you get into that? You were in the Navy. But mostly, if you try to pin me down, I’m a career intelligence officer. I was an instructor for four years, for example. Career military, 39 years in the Air Force, most of it intelligence but not exclusively. But let’s talk a little bit about your background. I think a lot of this does now focus on where we’re going with intelligence and how it’s happening, and of course sort of the Trump administration assault on the idea of what intelligence should be, and you’ve been an outspoken critic. So I want to get to the book, but let’s talk about your background in terms of how you got to this, and I do want to talk a lot about the digital elements of this. So I’m very interested in what’s going on in intelligence, and obviously it’s been in the news quite a lot this week especially. I don’t know if you know this I went to the Foreign Service School at Georgetown and I desperately wanted to be in the CIA, but it didn’t work out for me that way. ![]() General Hayden, welcome to Recode Decode. He’s also the author of a new book, which is fantastic, called “ The Assault on Intelligence: American National Security in the Age of Lies. Air Force four-star general and the former director of the National Security Agency. Today in the red chair is Michael Hayden, a retired U.S. You may know me as the director of the National Insecurity Agency, but in my spare time I talk tech, and you’re listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media podcast network. Hi, I’m Kara Swisher, editor at large at Recode. If you like this, be sure to subscribe to Recode Decode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Overcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Below, we’ve also provided a lightly edited complete transcript of their conversation. Continued abuse of our services will cause your IP address to be blocked indefinitely.You can read a write-up of the interview here or listen to the whole thing in the audio player above. Please fill out the CAPTCHA below and then click the button to indicate that you agree to these terms. If you wish to be unblocked, you must agree that you will take immediate steps to rectify this issue. If you do not understand what is causing this behavior, please contact us here. If you promise to stop (by clicking the Agree button below), we'll unblock your connection for now, but we will immediately re-block it if we detect additional bad behavior.
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